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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2008, 09:03:46 AM » |
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The arabparast philosophy is the same no matter what name or colour you give it. A shit by any other name is still shit no matter how you package and market it or how much perfume you pour over it. Once out of he box you can see it is still shit and smells like shit.
IRI is still IRI no matter how you present it. They are shit the whole lot of them and their supporters. Baseej, pasdar, and other kooft zahremaars did not fight Iraq for Iran's sake. They created, financed and prolonged the war and brainwashed innocent Iranians to sacrifice themselves so the pig excrement that is ruling in Iran can steal and loot the country even more.
The ONLY way Iran can be free, dignified and 'sarboland' is when every single IRI and arabparast collaborator is hounded, caught, tried and punished for what they have done for 1400 years through their ancestors and foreign enemies and for their institutions, organisations and societies to be totally destroyed and wiped off the map of Iran, and any sign of their existance totally obliterated so future Iranian generations will not have to carry the shame and burden of Arabparasty.
Iran is the most beautiful multicultural, multiethnic country in the world and ALL its peoples are equal and as one whether they are Azeri, Balouch, Armenian, Kurd or any other ethnicity, irrespective of beliefs.
Anyone who is supportive of this social order is an apologist of IRI and a collaborator with the foreign power that has enslaved Iran and thus is a traitor to Iran and its people.
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The arabparast philosophy is the same no matter what name or colour you give it. A shit by any other name is still shit no matter how you package and market it or how much perfume you pour over it. Once out of he box you can see it is still shit and smells like shit.
IRI is still IRI no matter how you present it. They are shit the whole lot of them and their supporters. Baseej, pasdar, and other kooft zahremaars did not fight Iraq for Iran's sake. They created, financed and prolonged the war and brainwashed innocent Iranians to sacrifice themselves so the pig excrement that is ruling in Iran can steal and loot the country even more.
The ONLY way Iran can be free, dignified and 'sarboland' is when every single IRI and arabparast collaborator is hounded, caught, tried and punished for what they have done for 1400 years through their ancestors and foreign enemies and for their institutions, organisations and societies to be totally destroyed and wiped off the map of Iran, and any sign of their existance totally obliterated so future Iranian generations will not have to carry the shame and burden of Arabparasty.
Iran is the most beautiful multicultural, multiethnic country in the world and ALL its peoples are equal and as one whether they are Azeri, Balouch, Armenian, Kurd or any other ethnicity, irrespective of beliefs.
Anyone who is supportive of this social order is an apologist of IRI and a collaborator with the foreign power that has enslaved Iran and thus is a traitor to Iran and its people.
the problems we have today in Iran are too complicated to blame it all on arab...Islam is a religion like all others, belive me if IRAN would turn to christianity or Zardoshtism Iran wouldn't become a paradise.... historically weaking of IRAN and influences of foreign power has changed IRAN more and more from a powerfull country in a third world country...... actually the main reason why we have today IRI on power is cuz of the crap royalists and their foreign supporters did in IRAN in from 1950's to 1970's the 1979 revolution was necessary, since we had a puppet government which was just serving foreign powers instead of caring about our population..... but sadly because huge part of our population were uneducated and religious, it was an easy game for mullahs to take the power.... but not every body who believed or worked for IRI is a devil.... once again lot of young iranians died or injured to defend IRAN against Irai invasion, thousends of IRANIAN technicians and egineers are working to improve IRAN's industry.... some of them might be religious but who give you the right to call them arabparast? have you defend IRAN as IRAN was attacked...it is easy to sit in front of TV in Los angeles and call people arabparast.... IRI is not a democratic goverment and there is no doubt that IRI must be soon or later be changed by a democratic government and that's a long therm process since once again million of IRANIANs are still today traditional and religious.... the fact that inside the IRI now some former war veterans are disapointed with corruption and want thcanges is a good chance for the population of IRAN to put more pressure on the government for changes...... but the concrete question is how the changes must happen? in a country where still lot of fathers would kill their daughters if they have sex before marriage, in a country where still lot of parents decide how and when their daughters must marry....changes will not happen in one day.... you may not like it but today mullahs are nothing else than a new form of zardoshti's priests in ancient IRAN ..... in ancient IRAN specially in time of Sassanian the zardoshti's priest had a huge control over soceity....they stoped any type of reforming, why else do you think people like Mazdak have been killed ? they wanted to reform the persian ancient religion but the traditionalist and the kings didn't like it....that was one of main reason why Islam had an easy game in IRAN, since huge part of Iranian population were disapointed with their kings........... generally a religion is just bunch of words... but in each soceity depending on local conditions the religion changes....have you ever thought why islam in malysia has a more peacfull face while in IRAN as the only country we have ālmost in every village a mullah who represent the government (that's actually exactly the same form we had during time of sassanian, where the local zardoshti priest was the representativ of the government in the village) I am not defending IRI, and I think we need changes in IRAN.... but we can't blame arabs for our today problems...Arabs are themselves today vistim of american and British new colonialism..... middle east need democratization and independent and we need cooperation between IRANIANS, Turks and Arabs to kick out foreign powers from this region and to start a new form of democracy and cooperation...no matter which relgion we would than have, modernization and ecconomical changes would reform that religion too...religions are like chewing gum, they adapt to changes...in christian countries they were burning women few centuries ago by blaming them to be a wicth, today chrisitan movements talk about love and peace..... islam, zardoshtism or any other religion also would completly change, if the people would change and people can only change if industrialization and democratization would go forward....and to make that happen any force should be support who is ready for changes, no matter if he is a pasdar or whatever else the democrastization of IRAN stoped in 1953...after revolution there was a second hance missed and now after visible changes like industrialization or like more educated men and women, the timing for changes is closer..... therefore iranians must work together to make changes possible those who are against changes inside IRI will get weaker and in long therm IRI as a system would not be there and be replaced by a democracy |
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2008, 12:02:30 PM » |
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Did I once use the word Islam? Did I ever say it was a Muslim problem? Arabparasty is changing the culture to that of an alien society. You have quoted me but failed to READ and UNDERSTAND what I have written. Please read it again perhaps your eyes will be opened. If not, I will quote a part of what I have written again. Iran is the most beautiful multicultural, multiethnic country in the world and ALL its peoples are equal and as one whether they are Azeri, Balouch, Armenian, Kurd or any other ethnicity, irrespective of beliefs.
When a belief that demonises women and other peoples of the world claims to be the true belief of a nation and where people whether they are educated or not (is the current Iranian ruler uneducated?) and where the majoruty of the people support these policies, then that belief whether MUSLIM, Christian, Zoroastrian or other should be obliterated from the face of the earth. Currently the majority of the problem is with Muslim countries. Malaysia? Don't even start because I could quote you laws that treat ALL non muslim citizens as second class. Just a taste of your wonderful Malaysia, why did the judges pronounce the death sentence for a person who was forced to convert to Islam and who decided they did not want to be a muslim anymore since it was forced upon them? Yeah right, muslim democracy. The western nations and whatever religious organisation was prevalent did change ad learn from their mistakes. The world went through a learning and maturing curve and progressed to respect people's beliefs as long as it did not impose and force itself on others, however in our wonderful free muslim country we went backwards. We even persecute our own loyal citizens, people who have been part of the fabric of Iranian society but our wonderful muslim nation (yes MUSLIM) is making whores and bastards of OUR OWN people by suddenly decalring their marriages illegal and are thrown out of their jobs, universities, schools, and even their homes where they have to take refuge in caves and be denied basic food, water and shelter, where there is a fatwa that the rape of their women is meritorious and to kill them in the most cruel of manners is allowed and even encouraged. Now you say that these same people are asking for change. The same people that brought in and enforced these laws are asking for change? The same people that raped, pillaged and murdered their own hamvatans are asking for change? Give me a beak. Who said anything about the Shah? He was not perfect but he knew his limitations and within those boundaries he did what he could. He gave freedom to women, made education fre and compulsory including financing students to study abroad at government expense. He financed a modern economy and insustrialisation, a strong army that kept the likes of Saddam, UAE and other arabs at bay. The Shah was not perfect and had many weaknesses, but he was the best of the worst. Unfortunately the arabparast Iranian population went for the worst of the worst. We needed to educate ourselves, the nation and the country before we could bring about an ordered and democratic change but our arabprast ideas were different. Instead of being descendants of Cyrus and darius, we became slaves of Khalid and Hamza. As for Mossadegh, that is another story and to say that I am glad he was overthrown. The problem is because he did not see out his full term we tey and make out he was a hero. he was a fascist in league with and a leader of Iran's Nazi party. Yes he won an election, but so did Hitler, Mussolini and Mugabe. Read what I said about irrespective of belief then come out accusing me of being anti Islam. |
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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2008, 06:43:26 PM » |
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The arabparast philosophy is the same no matter what name or colour you give it. A shit by any other name is still shit no matter how you package and market it or how much perfume you pour over it. Once out of he box you can see it is still shit and smells like shit.
IRI is still IRI no matter how you present it. They are shit the whole lot of them and their supporters. Baseej, pasdar, and other kooft zahremaars did not fight Iraq for Iran's sake. They created, financed and prolonged the war and brainwashed innocent Iranians to sacrifice themselves so the pig excrement that is ruling in Iran can steal and loot the country even more.
The ONLY way Iran can be free, dignified and 'sarboland' is when every single IRI and arabparast collaborator is hounded, caught, tried and punished for what they have done for 1400 years through their ancestors and foreign enemies and for their institutions, organisations and societies to be totally destroyed and wiped off the map of Iran, and any sign of their existance totally obliterated so future Iranian generations will not have to carry the shame and burden of Arabparasty.
Iran is the most beautiful multicultural, multiethnic country in the world and ALL its peoples are equal and as one whether they are Azeri, Balouch, Armenian, Kurd or any other ethnicity, irrespective of beliefs.
Anyone who is supportive of this social order is an apologist of IRI and a collaborator with the foreign power that has enslaved Iran and thus is a traitor to Iran and its people.
This is by far one of the most racist and ignorant comments i have read on this young site for suggesting Iranian Muslims are "Arab parast" and suggesting 1400 years of of Muslim history as Arab parsasti. It is further illogical and unjust for wanting to try people for what their ancestors may have done many years ago. And finally it is hypocritical because you claim that Iran is beautiful because it is a "multicultural, multiethnic country" yet you show no tolerance or respect whatsoever for Muslims or Arabs which include Iranian arabs. I am defiantly against IRI and their policy and I believe they should go. Let me tell you both Arabs and Far, Muslims and Non Muslims have been victims of IRI and their policies don't forget that. But if you are ever suggesting that Islam and Muslim religion should end in Iran, let me give you a bad news. We Iranian Muslims are proud of our religion and we are here to stayRegards, Ali Reza Sefati |
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2008, 08:07:00 PM » |
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Mr Alireza Sefati,
No one has asked for Muslims to leave Iran. I strongly suggest you read my post again. I am against the alien policy that has been imposed on Iran and has brainwashed people.
You want to give me 'bad' news about staying. Is that because you agree with all the atrocities carried out by this government?
Iran is a multicultural, multiethnic and multirekigious society. No one, no religion or race has the right to impose themselves on any other Iranian. Belief is a personal choice. FULL STOP.
A person can be a Shia or Sunni Muslim, Jew, Christian, Baha'i, Zoroastrian or Martian worshipper for all I care but only in their own home and in their personal life without imposing and enforcing it on others and under no conditions they have the right to persecute others who do not subscribe to those beliefs. If you think Iranian women are not fully human and have no soul, that is your choice, but to arrest, torture and murder someone else just because they do say that women and men are equal, is a total travesty of everythig decent.
Muslims, Zoroastrians, Baha'i, Jew, Christian, Agnostic and Atheist are ALL Iranians and all should be equal. Persecution of anyone who does not agree with state religion is alien to true Iranian culture, a culture handed down by Cyrus, darius and others but a culture that has been destroyed by the current lifestyle and policy. It is an imported foreign policy and imposed on brainwashed Iranian people. If people believe in someone coming back to rule over them after hiding in a well for over a thousand years, that is their choice, whether the man comes from a male well or a female well or from both at the same time (as currently is being preached in Iran) then they have a right to believe it with no questions asked, but to rape and murder a human being, an Iranian and a loyal servant of Iran for not believing in that philosophy is wrong and the person that persecutes that loyal Iranian has lost the right to call themselves Iranian. They are only a slave and collaborator of an alien philosophy.
When it comes to ancestory, no one is held responsible for what their ancestors did,;what they are held responsible is for agreeing and celebrating those atrocities, praising and glorifying those atrocities and still committing those atrocities. Then they are as responsible and infact more so and should be held to account.
It is the absense and inactivity of good people that causes the bad to flourish. There is no such thing as darkness, there is only absense of light. Similarly evil flourishes where good is absent.
You think it is bad news for muslims to stay in Iran? I am surprised because Islam gave a lot to Iran along with receiving a lot. Islam is not at fault nor on trial here. It is the people who have brought intolerance, prejudice and injustice from outside that are on trial. We have had great Iranian Muslims and will continue to do so, I am sure.
Arabparasty is to copy and impose what we see in Saudi Arabia, in parts of Kuwait, in Algeria and Egypt and in other Arab countries where other humans do not have any rights and anyone's life who decides not to accept the established religion is considered halal.
Mt Sefati, do you subscribe to, support and encourage such beliefs? Is that why you give me 'bad' news? Somehow I doubt it. I doubt whether you agree with those alien policies.
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2008, 09:58:16 PM » |
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I made it clear that I was not pro IRI when I said "I am defiantly against IRI and their policy and I believe they should go."
I objected to your 1400 year comment. That is age of Islam we are both fully aware of that. With those comments you made one could think that you are indeed targeting the whole religion and Islam and by saying Arab Parasti for 1400 years one could think you are suggesting that Iranian Muslims are suckers who have been worshiping the Arabs for past 1400 years instead of God.
We both know that Mullas have not ruled Iran for past 1400 years so I wonder who were you really referring too?
And lastly, I really wonder if you really believe that people should be tried and punished for crimes that their ancestors have done years ago?
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2008, 12:08:57 AM » |
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And lastly, I really wonder if you really believe that people should be tried and punished for crimes that their ancestors have done years ago?
Please READ When it comes to ancestory, no one is held responsible for what their ancestors did,;what they are held responsible is for agreeing and celebrating those atrocities, praising and glorifying those atrocities and still committing those atrocities. Then they are as responsible and infact more so and should be held to account. |
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2008, 09:33:46 AM » |
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2008, 01:36:53 PM » |
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Did I once use the word Islam? Did I ever say it was a Muslim problem? Arabparasty is changing the culture to that of an alien society. You have quoted me but failed to READ and UNDERSTAND what I have written. Please read it again perhaps your eyes will be opened. If not, I will quote a part of what I have written again. Iran is the most beautiful multicultural, multiethnic country in the world and ALL its peoples are equal and as one whether they are Azeri, Balouch, Armenian, Kurd or any other ethnicity, irrespective of beliefs.
When a belief that demonises women and other peoples of the world claims to be the true belief of a nation and where people whether they are educated or not (is the current Iranian ruler uneducated?) and where the majoruty of the people support these policies, then that belief whether MUSLIM, Christian, Zoroastrian or other should be obliterated from the face of the earth. Currently the majority of the problem is with Muslim countries. Malaysia? Don't even start because I could quote you laws that treat ALL non muslim citizens as second class. Just a taste of your wonderful Malaysia, why did the judges pronounce the death sentence for a person who was forced to convert to Islam and who decided they did not want to be a muslim anymore since it was forced upon them? Yeah right, muslim democracy. The western nations and whatever religious organisation was prevalent did change ad learn from their mistakes. The world went through a learning and maturing curve and progressed to respect people's beliefs as long as it did not impose and force itself on others, however in our wonderful free muslim country we went backwards. We even persecute our own loyal citizens, people who have been part of the fabric of Iranian society but our wonderful muslim nation (yes MUSLIM) is making whores and bastards of OUR OWN people by suddenly decalring their marriages illegal and are thrown out of their jobs, universities, schools, and even their homes where they have to take refuge in caves and be denied basic food, water and shelter, where there is a fatwa that the rape of their women is meritorious and to kill them in the most cruel of manners is allowed and even encouraged. Now you say that these same people are asking for change. The same people that brought in and enforced these laws are asking for change? The same people that raped, pillaged and murdered their own hamvatans are asking for change? Give me a beak. Who said anything about the Shah? He was not perfect but he knew his limitations and within those boundaries he did what he could. He gave freedom to women, made education fre and compulsory including financing students to study abroad at government expense. He financed a modern economy and insustrialisation, a strong army that kept the likes of Saddam, UAE and other arabs at bay. The Shah was not perfect and had many weaknesses, but he was the best of the worst. Unfortunately the arabparast Iranian population went for the worst of the worst. We needed to educate ourselves, the nation and the country before we could bring about an ordered and democratic change but our arabprast ideas were different. Instead of being descendants of Cyrus and darius, we became slaves of Khalid and Hamza. As for Mossadegh, that is another story and to say that I am glad he was overthrown. The problem is because he did not see out his full term we tey and make out he was a hero. he was a fascist in league with and a leader of Iran's Nazi party. Yes he won an election, but so did Hitler, Mussolini and Mugabe. Read what I said about irrespective of belief then come out accusing me of being anti Islam. once again....if you read my article exactly you'll see I'm talking about development... Iran's problems are not about islam or arabs or other side topics...and I'm not trying to defend Islam or arabs and I myself don't believe in any religions, but blaming again and again arabs or Islam is just distracting from the roots of problem..if we want IRan's problems one day to be solved we must name the problems, instead of focusing on crap side issues......Iran's problems are typical problems of a third world nation with big recources which has been decades under influence of foreign powers and has still to solve huge problems like lack of education, coruption, poverty and strong dependence on oil........ any type of traditionalism or fanatism are just results of the reasons I have mentioned and not the roots in other words, IRAN's only road to get out of any type of traditionalism(no matter if islamistic fanatism or zardoshti fanatsim) or poverty is democratization.... and this democrastization can only happen if IRAN is strong enough, that mean economically and military to resist any foreing power...else we will have again and again 1953 would be repeated............ |
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i fully agree with Ali Europe on this...we Iranians often have tendecy to blame others for our failures...I grew up hearing people blaming Arabs, English, Americans, russian..etc. I remember back in WC 1998, everyone met up at my apartment to watch the game vs. Germany and after Iran lost some girl said "It's Arabs fault" i am like why? she said if it wasn't for them we would not be so short. We would be Aryans and tall and .... I am like perhaps you wouldnt be here either think about it. Anyway, if you look at each country, they have have been somehow screwed by others but they usually get up and forget the past and move forward. We Iranians however seem to want to go back thousands of years?! Yes religion is something personal. One should believe or disbelieve in whatever he or she wants in my openion it should not be roll of government to dicate that...what we need more open mindedness if we keep insulting each other's religions or other races, people will stay on defensive mode nothing will ever change. anyway, done with this topic and moving on  |
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2008, 03:53:33 PM » |
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I haven't been following this thread but thought lets have a look and see what's being said, this sort of debate often brings emotions out of people. I think everyone has made some valid points under this thread, I dont think anyone is 100% wrong with everything they have said, they are not necessarily 100% right about everything they have said either, I agree with parts of every reply under this thread. Religion is a private belief, everyone should be free to practice what religion they believe in and no one should have any religion forced upon them, mutual respect is what is required. I think Reza Shah was wrong to forcefully remove women's Hejab in Iran and IRI was wrong to force women wear Hejab, I am just making a point with this example, all should be free to choose and practice what they believe in. I share the view of 1979 revolt being a consequence of 1953 Coup and what followed in the 25 years after the Coup, I strongly believe Iran would have been a much more powerful world economy today had Mossadegh's Government survived. Last but not least, Iran or the old Persia was invaded by many countries during its history and they all did a lot of damage, no one invades your country to look after you especially the era I am referring to, the Monghols did a lot of harm to Iran and massacared many people, they shut down all the wells in Khorassan and brought destruction and draught to the region. The Greek burnt Persepolis, the Arabs did a lot of damage as well burning and destroying books and forcing Persians to speak in Arabic (well they tried, Persia was the only country that was invaded by Arabs but kept its own language). At the end of the day we will have differing views on these subjects and analyse facts and its consequences accoridng to our views, so we won't agree on every topic, if we did there would be no point having debates, what is there to debate if we agree on everything 100%, quite boring I would say!  |
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2008, 04:23:29 PM » |
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actually what Afshin said about religions is absolutly corrcet... I myself don't believe in any religion(actually Darwin's evolution theory is for me still more trustable than any religion) but I respect those who believe in whatever they like... but I think when it comes to development and future of IRAN any emotions or religions should not become a main topic... main topic should be how can IRAN goes back to the road Dr. Mossadegh started between 1950-53...cuz that was the road of democracy...therefore any developments inside IRAN which would go in a positive directions should be supported
one problem we often have in IRAN is that the personal opinions and emotions often make people blind on what's going on...
a simple example...just cuz some people hate islam or IRI, they start to join USA or Western media by attacks on IRAN nuclear program or IRAN's support for anti american movements in IRAQ or elsewhere....
I mean there are lot of issues where we can criticize IRI or islamic movement, but in nuclear issue, we must ignore our emotīons and personal believe and analyze what's better for iran's long therm strategic and ecconomic interessts!!!!
I mean Dr. Mossadegh was a true democrat and he was fighting against dictatorships of Reza shah and his son, but he wouldn't attack every single decision made in IRAN just cuz it happened during pahlevi government. True patriots like Mossadegh or Dr. Fatemi were able to focus on IRAN's interessts and not own personal likes and dislikes... I mean building railways and connecting different point of IRAN was a right decision, even a cruel dictator like Reza shah did that... Mossadegh was criticizing Shah and Reza shah because of their crimes and for their dependence on foreign powers but he never would criticize building of railways ....
same is about today's IRAN... lot of IRanians tend to just attack and criticize every single decision which is made in IRAN, just cuz it happens during IRI's governing periode....
I absolutly agree that we need public pressure on IRI and we need a democratization, but we can't just attack every thing which happens in IRAN, just cuz we don't like IRI...
I mean as true patriots and people which care about our country, we should support every thing which will improve IRAN's ecconomy and position in the region
that means:
A) we must support IRAN's industrialization and that includes nuclear technology... because this will in long therm improve the economy and industrialization often create new jobs and education possibilities....and in long therm that will make iranian being more educated....and more education and stable ecconomy will than weaken mullahs and traditionalism... so by being against industrialization and nuclear program, we would just keep conditions in IRAN get worser
B) we must support an foreign policy which would resist Western troops in the region.... weakening of west and their puppet government in gulfstates and other parts of the region will bring more sability and democracy in the region and IRAN's position as the regional power would get stronger
C)if some royalists say he hates islam and arabs cuz things they did to IRAN 1400 years ago...I really wonder how those royalists don't hate america and England for things they are doing to IRAN since last 60 years!!!!!!! so once again every body can like or dislike whoever they prefer, but we IRanians must open your eyes and see who our todays enemies are!!!!!!!today arabs themselves are victims of Western neocolonial policy.......!!!! and today all middle easterners are suffering under 60 years of US imperial politic.....
D) and finally IRI...yes IRI isn't a great democracy and yes there are thousend reasons to dislike them... but if we want IRI to lose their power, than we should support every thing which would strengthen democracy in IRAN...and as a typical third world country with huge recources, which makes us the first target of every western power....IRAN can only become a democracy if the base for democracy is ready...else west will end up the democracy again as they did in 1953.... democracy can only survive if IRAN would be powerfull and stable to resist any foreign power..and nuclear technology is an important key to make iran more powerfull and stable ... we also must support any type of reform movement in IRAN no matter if they are themselves a part of government, cuz every reform will in long therm make the dictatorship weaker....
E) and finally we must be patient and not get fast disapointment, developments and democratzation in IRAN will take time and from time to time some crazy people like Ahmadi nejad will apear and disapear, but in long therm IRI will get weaker...mark my words
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