Ali Europe jan...
up to few months ago, I was on the same boat as you are...and thinking USA and Carter basically didn't want shah and and and...
however, few months ago I had a customer in my store who just made all those THEORY down the toilet...
this guy....is a very well known person and has a high position here in Pittsburgh, not in politics and one of his great great grand father was at one point the president of USA...
his father was the #1 adviser of Shah during the revolution and he was a young man at that time in Iran...
after he told me that he was in Iran and he knew several things about us, politics and culture, as well as food that he really really loved....anyway...he simply asked me...
what do you think about shah and why he was down....I said, shah had no balls and afraid...
he laughed and said ...you know what... My dad said the same thing... he said USA was totally behind shah and were planning to get him out of the mess...and yes, have his son in charge, but shah was to weak to decide and did not agree to be a tough dude
so to say...
and therefore, they decided to get him out...
after that point, USA started to talk to JEBHE MELLI and they thought, having Qotbzadeh and few other JEBHE MELLI and and and...won't name, in their pocket will help USA to stay in charge. Not knowing that MULLAHS with the help of Russians and TODEH party, they basically took over and bammmmmmmmm....hostage issues and u know the rest.
point is....USA did not give up on Shah first, they gave up on him after they realized he has no guts to save his own ass.... very basic strategy...
Todeh is still in IRI and powerfull as before,,,,they might be gone on the paper, but they still there. With their help, all other parties were vanished, killed , ran away or in jail.....only TOODEH knew how to do it....and they did it very well...
Last word this guy told me was....USA lost Iran to Russians....when will they win it back, might take time. It's a very true statement and all you have to do is, visit Iran with that in mind and u c... how true it is and how everything is running there like Russia, and Russia is getting more powerfull DAILY....just wait and see when they own Western countries....I give them 20-30 years and u shall see...
Saint Petersburg, as we talk, is the most expensive city in the world....how did they get to that point? Soon OPEC will be gone and Russians will own the MAJORITY of OIL in the world and this is a fact and not just talk....
Russia has less OWNERSHIP in CASPEAN SEA...however, they are the only one to use the OIL and GAS there....only 10% was given to Iran....only 10. and yet they have to do it under the Russinas management....man we are doomed.
Iranetehhhhhhh
Dashali jan...well, there are fewe points I want to make clear
in this issue I have very good informations, since I know lot of people which were directly involved in revolution and I know people who even were in shah's jails.... I have also tled with lot of IRANIANS which were directly involved in revolution(some even from my own family) from liberals to nationalists to socialist...and I also have made myself researches on this story since almost over 23 years since I was teenager ...
and also let me give you a good advise as a friend and hamvatan !!!! don't blieve in what some americans say even if they were government advisros..Americans are really weak when it come to analyzing global politics.....these american advisors are the similar type of people who advised Bush to invade Iraq and told him IRAQI people will go on streets and celebrate US troops...one of biggest problems Americans always had was their stupidity and their arrogant advisors which didn't know much about real problems of a country, but thought they can manipulate the population....in past when in most third world countries people were uneducated and mostly live in village, American strategy might work.... but with huge and fast urbanization in entire world and acces to information, Americans will more and more face problems and the US advisors and strategists would more and more fail..american almost often judged situation wrong..... like General Westmoreland, who till his dead kept repeatign that americans didn't lost the Vietnam war.........
I didn't say USA wanted Shah to go..I said as Americans saw that Shah and his gang can't any more keep the power and after USA realize that Revolution of IRANIAN people was very strong and unstopale....growing population of Teheran and gowing poverty in lot of iranian cities had create huge anger before the revolution...in 1979 IRAN's population was higher and angrier than the naive and small population of 1953...... Americans and even lot of officers of IRANIAN army knew it was impossible to break down the revolution in long therm, cuz the population was about to explode and lot of iranian soldries started to refuse following the orders......
So Americans decided to send general Heizer on a special mission to IRAN to talk with high ranked commandaners of IRANIAN army and tell them to not start a civil war...cuz if Army would continued IRAN would turn to a civil war, there are lot of former CIA agents and Western politicians themselves which said that
so just don't believe the crap some american rednecks are saying about what their dad said.... once again if you ask some US veterans till today they will not agree that they lost Vietnam war and they will blame it on liberal politicians, although every historian will tell you that US strategy in Vietnam failed and the same will happen to Pentagon plans in IRAQ and Afghanistan
some americans can't understand that once a huge mass of population get out of control, USA can't any more win as they would like as in some Hollywood Rambo movies
even former French President Giscard D'Estaine said in few interviews that in the 1979 meeting between Western leaders, Americans admited the situation in IRAN is not controlable and that's why americans rather to let things happen fast and they hoped to later weather deal with mullahs or kick them out of power with a military putsch (as after revolution the Noje Putsch showed)
