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« on: October 13, 2008, 07:53:42 PM »

Just check this out. It can explain alot of things

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/xIPART47bIs&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/xIPART47bIs&rel=1</a>
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2008, 10:59:11 PM »

A few descrepancies although I agree with the gist of his talk.
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2008, 09:51:52 AM »

there are some true points mentioned, but there are lot of crap in the speech which shows the guy doesn't know much on real global issues, but just judge on emotions! let see the facts real

 why USA did attack IRAQ an if they would attack IRAN?

to answer this question we must see the development of last decades...

there are few questions which must be answered to make it possible to understand the major issue

a) how did america become a superpower?

USA turn to a superpower cuz of the second world war...american took advantage of the weakness of othr powers after world war and slowly replaced the position of british empire...while British empire wealth and power based on colonies, USA started to build the foundation of their powers on three aspects

a) puppet government in third world countries, specially in countries with huge recources like oil, gold etc allow US ecconomy to have a huge growing in last few decades...most of the puppet governments like Shah in IRAN or sheicks in oil states could only stay on power cuz of US military support, so to make America continue keeping them on power lot of puppet governments did huge investments in Us ecconomy or ordered huge amount of US or WESTERN products like weapons, luxury cars, planes etc.. I mean a good example is a Dubai...a country which has a pupulation smaller than Baghdad suddenly spending billions on defence items or buy 100 of passenger planes etc....

b) creating global tensions to create and justify huge defence budget in the western world, which create a huge market for giant US defence companies like Lockheed, Rockwell or Boeing to start huge projects...just imagine a single B2 Bomber cost more than 1 billion US dollars!!!!!! and US buget was during the late 90's higher than the defence buget of Europe, russia and China together.......

c)since Burton Wood meeting in late 40's US dollars become the world currency and in last few years USA managed to make huge amount of their debts being payed by foreign nations through keeping the dollar as the world currency....


and now the major question!!!

why did USA attack IRAQ

well since early 90 and end of the cold war by Gorbatchev some huge changes happened...

a) the fear of communism disapear and lot of countries started to cut down their defence budget

b) the fast urbanization of third world and moving of people from villages to towns created huge tensions in third world, cuz once people live in cities they need jobs, water and electricity and they start to have more acces to news......dictators start to weaken....in lot of countrieslike Venezuela, Bolivia, Chile etc we have today governments which don't follow orders from washington...and US influence on recources will be each year more challenged

c)and new growing powers like China, India and the globalization of the ecconomy will also challenge the position of USA

US ecconomy is too strong depending on weapon industry and the third world money, so americans since early 90's started to be scared of losing their dominance....that's people in the arm and oil industry in USA started to think of a new doctrine of "new world order" the idea behind that doctrine is that America should keep their global leadership with every possible way

I need to remind you that the weapon and oil  industry in USA has a huge influence on US politics since late 60's ...specially the close realtion of these sectors NIXON/Reagan/BUSH need to be mentioned

just look at some of known players:

NIXON/Kissinger: since late 60's involved in Vietnam war and putsches in chile in 1973 etc

George Bush senior: he had close relation to NIXON and CIA, he even was head of CIA during 1976-1977 , during Reagan presidency, he was the brain behind important decisions

Donald Rumsfeld: he was Director of the United States Office of Economic Opportunity in late 60's, , Director of the Economic Stabilization Program und member of the government from 1969 to 1972.and was later during the Ford presidency the secretary of defence between 1975 and 1977 and one of the brains behind the Project for the New American Century since mid 90's

Richard Pearl:from 1981 to 1987 whe was Assistant Secretary of Defense for Reagan-government..already in those time a strong lobbyist for Weapon industry and also a huge supporter of Israel..later he was one of Rumsfeld advoisros in the Project for the New American Century

Paul Wolfowitz: worked in Pentagon already during Nixon and even Carter presidency..worked since 90's with Bush clan on the Project for the New American Century

Dick Cheney: in late 1960's worked in Nixon government and was advisor of Rumsfeld, under Gerlad Forld in 70's an presidential advoisor and there are rumors that he was involved directly in Watergate story...and later he was defence secretary under Bush senior and most of you know about his today functions   

after knowing the brains behind US politics let see what thought and planned

George Bush senior and some of his gang thought america can keep the leadership by doing following things

a) creating new tensions and wars by creating new enemies like Terrorists or Saddam and keep Us defence budget and the global arm sale grow

b) using the weakness of russia by sepparatist movements in chechnia and also a fast NATO expansion

c)invade and conquer countries with oil recources and controll the energy recources as a winning card to be able to put pressure on the new growing powers  like India and China

so invasion of IRAq and Afghanistan must bee seen as a part of puzzle in this plan but.....

 
the plan failed cuz of following reasons:

american underestimate the fast changes in third world, today putsches like 1953 don't work so easiely...and local population want jobs, water, electricity and and any invadors which conquer a country must first fix those problems before being able to pump out the money fromt he country...and the local resistence grow lot faster as it happened in 1950's or 60's....also countries which resisiting US politics like IRAN, Venezuela,china, Russia, etc are not so stupid to wait and let USA do whatever they want...IRAN supported Hezbollah and shiites to create troubles for USA, Russia armes US enemies like IRAN and Venzuela, China invest strongly in third world and take away contracts from US companies by offeriring better conditions......

and huge part of US industry is too slow to adapt to the fast globalization.......

that's why Bush and his gang tried to creat bubbles to bring some foreign money to keep US ecconomy alive, but we are seeing that US ecconomy is more and more close to a colapse(as lot of observer even myself predicting since mid 90's)

cuz from now on...

more and more money will leave USA to more attractive markets like CHINA,INDIA or RUSSIA (or maybe even IRAN in case of IRANIANS living in WEST)
USA will not be able to keep the huge defence budget in coming decades which will create huge troubles and lot of bankruptcies in the weaon sector...if you think GM or Lehman brothers buncuptcy was huge, just wait till Lockheed or Rockwell would face troubles....
and finally lot of countries will soon or later start to stop using dollars for their international trade, this is unstopable in long therm and if that happen, than today's crisis would be a small thing comparing to the troubles US would face with huge deficits and debts and no more foreign money.....USA would go through similar conditions South Americans were experiencing till 1980's...

and finally the last question

will USA attack IRAN


well, of course it is hard to see what is going on inside the sick brain of people like cheney....sometimes if the problems are so big that you are about to lose control, you tend to do stupid decisions cuz of desperation.......  but the mistakes USA did since mid 90's till today were so huge and created so much problems for US ecconomy, that I don't think USA would be able to start a new war....

but of course IRAN must always improve its defence ability and be prepared, cuz in todays times of tensions you can never be 100% sure, but I think the chance of an attack on IRAN is smaller than 1%...
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